And one more thing! Only authorized operators can install Sentricon. My pest control company is supposed to go this weekend. They will drill holes in the garage floor and put Termidor there as well as around the house and porch and patio. Scott, the climate you are in would not be the best place for baits.Baits are ok in a area that can be checked at least bi-monthly year round. TB I agree with you. Youve been helpful to me so I hate to put you on the spot Id just like to know if you yourself have actually used sentricon baits in this far north of a climate and had the results you are claiming? In-Stock Orders Placed By 3:00 PM CT Ship Today! I had 2 almost identical posts which were in no way personal, but which were deleted. I use it on every ant treatment and I use phantom on the exterior as well as drione dust (sparingly) It will kill the colonies outside, usually for the season. They also installed and maintain Sentricon at the White House. The companys that push it and other baits as a cure for active termites are only looking to guarantee their future REVENUE . I have no experience with Termidor but I would recommend Sentricon 100 percent. Hammer Drill. They only do Termidor. Im buying a frame house built in 1987 in the Tampa Florida area. and have had my property treated twice with Termador and still have termites. Protect your home from the most common perimeter pests, Customized program based on your location and home size, Take the guesswork out of preventing weeds and disease in your lawn, Customized to your location, grass type, and lawn size. There are a lot of black market and boot-leg products out there. Termidor is a superior treatment, and the annual renwal is usually a lot less. It sounds to me like you either work for Dow or some shady company who RIPS PEOPLE OFF BY DOING BAIT ONLY TERMITE TREATMENTS. How do they find the Termidor? Works great. No wood damage. Termidor costs about $50 more than Sentricon up front, but the annual contract, which covers monitoring, periodic reapplication (if necessary) and repair of any termite damage is about $150 less for Termidor as compared to Sentricon. And their training is world class. I believe they do both treatments too. That means termites cannot see, smell, taste, or avoid it. ?I hope the company is backing it up?? I too was concerned with the stirred up/digging issue and Termidor. They are not recommending treatment around the entire house. But, we also use Sentricon, and it is just as good as Termidor. Ant wings are only slightly longer than their bodies. Termidor works a little quicker. I plan on checking them every 2 months. Scott- Our company is more in line with Cincinnatti. They are a waste of your money and all the pest control companies care about is your money. A termite that passes through Termidor will only live about 3 days and will infect other members of the termite colony, thereby rendering the second kill.. As far as you telling the public that Shatter, and Advance are the same product, Please use your head.that is a joke. How could you attempt to be a Sentricon Dealer when it is Dow who selects you? The termiticide is and they have many Advanced Accounts, after servicing those accounts I feel the stations have a bad design like Exterra with allowing too much sand in the stations( soil intrusion). Someone made a comment earlier about the White House using Sentricon great. Dont use any company that offers baiting stations; theyre not honest. Tyler, these companies that do bait checks quarterly and tri-annually are just RIP_OFFS . I worked for Orkin for 11.5 years, and worked at 10 different offices in WV, Va, Ky and Penn.I found them all to be crooked. They did ask my choice for sentricon or liquid and I chose sentricon in year 2013 A big mistake or am I ok? WebTermidor carries a CAUTION on the pesticide label in USA and is highly active against a variety of non-target animals such as bees and fish. im from the philippines. This product provides immediate relief by stopping the damage to your items soon after applying. Ive had 3 companies recommend Sentricon (Erlich & Knockout only bait, Orkin bait and borate sprayed on damaged wood) and 1 local company (Pest Shield) that recommends using Phantom around the outside of the house (drilled into my stoop and rear patio as well) & sprayed on damaged wood inside, in combination with Advanced bait traps around the house. Missy, When it comes to active termites, the Sentricon is truly a cross your fingers, hope, and wait method. WebAltrisets chemistry is based on a naturally occurring compound found in the bark of a South American plant. I am glad we spent the extra money our house has been termite free for 15 years. Stop looking for cheap and focus more on quality. !The studies are out there.. This is very seldom successful for the "blind" subterranean termite workers. This is done after extensive field training and approval by the EPA. Small price to pay for a wealth of information. From reading all the posts, I curious to hear what would be the next course of action. Our home is only 9yrs old and I want the best protection. Termidor is probably the best liquid treatment material out there and Sentricon is the best bait product out there. Amanda, if it comes to a choice between Termidor & Premise 75 the Termidor wins easily . I have a brick house on a concrete slab in south Mississippi. The thought was that the higher the pressure, the better the spray coverage. So now the decision is back to prevention now or wait until we find termites closer to the house. The problem is that we want to have a patio installed in this area, against the house. Termidor is also good for controlling ants on the exterior of the house too. No one has mention anything about the content of the contract . Vern says all the big companies use Sentricon; that should be a huge red flag to everyone. When I worked at Terminix we used Sentricon for years until Dow fired Terminix. It is amazing they can find a 2 inch thick tomato steak. Any particular questions I need to ask of either of them or can I trust that they will cover the available options thoroughly and treat me fairly in whatever treatment they recommend? Recently we found drywood termite droppings in a piece of furniture. Alternatively, liquid jobs (ie Termidor) costs more for the initial application and less for the annual inspection, but the cost difference is insignificant. A guy like you who, unlike some of us, knows how to treat people could go real far. Are you a new applicator? The Sentricon System is the only termite control product ever to earn the Presidential Green Chemistry Challenge Award, a top federal environmental honor. My house isbuilt on a slab about 5 years old in north central ga 30114. I did not know that was termite and did not call my termite company. Bait only is not the best treatment for termites. There was absolutely no termites this year at all. It can take years and years and years to get a hit. Company B says that .06 is not sufficient for our soil, which has a lot of clay. Also they only show up a couple times during the year. That is where a prevention treatment could be a good thing and actually save money in the long run. The exterior should be enough, but you might want to have a bath trap installed if there are any bath tubs in your basement. It also increases termites natural social behavior. Termidor has been banned in the European Union, France, Japan and other countries due to toxicity concerns. They monitor stations every 3 months. They do so, by foraging up, down and all around until they randomly come into contact with it. I have narrowed my choice to 2, one is along time local area pest control , my second choice is a relative company young company aprox (5 years) both phone book adds have terimidor seal? Best bang for your Buck? Ehrlich says they wouldnt plant anything in the whole garden. It works by paralyzing the mouths of termites within hours of exposure, stopping further damage immediately. The baits ( Sentricon, Advance, Firstline Ect.) They dont work period. So far no problems. Company B claims they still use termidor for the control of other insects but stopped using it for termite control in favor of the sentricon system because it is safer for the homeowner. There was plenty of excavation in areas that would have been treated by Termidor if Id taken that route, plenty of tracking of dirt all over my yard and organic garden, plenty of opportunity for exposure. To use Altriset, a professional digs a deep trench around the home. Is Sectricon something that I can check on my own after the first year or is it a system that I cant get into or that requires an electronic detector to check. I would give it another year and then make a move. With the help of ATP the active ingredient has more movement horizontally and vertically compared to Termidor SC. One pest control company is pushing the Sentricon bait system while the other is pushing drill and inject with Premise, which they claim is as effective as Termidor but less expensive. The initial cost is around the same too about $1,000. Hmmm. You may be able to find other brands on line, but they are probably not as effective or have the testing history of Sentricon. Altriset has a lower toxicity profile towards children and pets - it is not debilitating to bees, fish and earthworms. Any advice about warranties on Thermidor? Advance is not newer technology. This site is available in the following languages: Innovation Still Never Stops: 2021 Triple Play, Customer Success Story | Green Turf in the Blue Ridge, Take a Fresh Look at Intrinsic brand fungicides, Five cultural practices that will improve disease management, Funky Pests | Don't Get Walloped by Whiteflies, Plant Protection: How to Use Pesticides Appropriately, 3 things growers should know about heat stress, Effective Pest Management Approaches for Spring Growers. This percentage is low due to the fact that in many of the 25 test sites, termites have not even begun feeding on the Sentricon stations (Gold). Once you exceed 2-3 the likelihood of getting filtered goes up dramatically. It works by paralyzing the muscles of the termites. If it didnt, we wouldnt risk our reputations or the cost of callbacks using it. After that, it has had enough time to dry and should be fine. The Altriset is a very effective termiticide treatment. Wouldnt / shouldnt the Termidor be still working if I got the 7 to 10 years with it, installed 2006? The Altriset is a very effective termiticide treatment. That is a good question because in todays world, most people are very concerned about providing a safe environment for their family and pets. WebTermidor is not systemic and does not affect plant life around your home. called in the pest control operator who did perimeter treatment using Termidor and spot treatment behind the fridge. The reason that the renewal on Sentricon is more is because of the service, not because of the product. A Time-Saving Solution for Taking Down Termites. WebAltriset was tested against Termidor (a common chemical for termite treatments) and after 3 months, Altriset still had 66% of its original application while Termidor only had around 30%. Considering these limitations, Altriset is a better alternative because it is a quick-acting termiticide that effectively kills both the types of termites and prevents infestation. Should I clean out any mud that gets in them? Most termiticide labels have specific instructions on how to perform wall foaming. House was built in 2008. It would seem the technology to treat termites has advanced quite a bit (at least in terms of the baiting systems), since this article was authored. Out of the two Termidor HE is more expensive than Termidor SC. Altriset has been thoroughly tested by the USDAForest Service and it has demonstrated excellent performance for nine consecutive years. The pretreatment is Bora-Care. Stay away from companys like orkin, terminix and other national companys. Thats why all the biggest companies use them (ie Orkin, Terminex, American, Massey, etc, etc and 95% of the other pest companies use them. I am living in north Florida. I am a keyman for Terminix which means i can sell and do my own jobs and this is how i do it Termidor is expensive but it does not cost that much to treat critical areas.. Its a small bit of extra care that the company really never misses in chemical costs.. What I meant to say was that I never had a call back for termites at any home treated with termidor. Dang . $280/yr for just retreatment coverage and $340 for damage repair. We find it is useful in many situations and perfect for the do it yourselfer. have gone away with the remodeling that we did. Im aware that those of you who push sentricon in your business have a vested interest in protecting its name Im just wondering, how can I know for sure what to do. The key to any treatment is the warranty and the species of termite covered under the warranty. If you treat with Termidor there will be no termites to kill with the Sentricon! The result is 100% control in 3 months or less. Effective Termidor eliminates termites several ways. What do you think? WebAltriset is a highly effective termite control product that stops the termites from feeding within hours of application. This spring, in my territory alone which consists of 6 counties, I had 12 call backs on Sentricon and absolutely NO callbacks resulting in live termite activity. Termidor SC requires a high labor input to ensure the barrier is up to standard, and the drilled holes need to be very close to each other, which means that sometimes the technician will have to drill through the centre of tiles rather than grout lines. Try to keep up! We are twelve trillion dollars in debt right now, and by 2019 we will owe one trillion dollars in interest on our national debt. Neither EcoLab nor Presto-X were shown as members even though you said they are solid companies. It prevents further termite damage as well. Instead of a thread to help people learn about the difference between liquid and bait termite treatments, it has turned into an two against one anti-Sentricon site. Dominion Termiticide: Yes Jay it is amazing. I found some evidence of old termite damage and in removing that wood found some live termites on a piece of wood that was contacting the ground. Neither will leech as both are cationic molecules (positively-charged) and the soil has a net negative charge on the exchange sites. However last night we discovered termites in our basement, mind you I had two termite complete a termite check and told no termites inside the house. No worriess Termidor HE spread through the soil using Advanced Polymer Technology (APT). I have ordered products from them before, and I absolutely love those people. That is why the bait is put in from the beginning now and left in there to control the termites continuously. The rest of the foundation is easy to access and is just lawn and landscaping. The award recognizes technical innovation incorporating environmentally responsible1 chemistry into its design, manufacture and use. Use "Spacebar" or "Enter" to expand the My Account navigation menu. Look for a local company in your area. My question is if we are not finding fresh damage or signs of live termites anywhere, are we kidding ourselves to think that perhaps the termites have simply left the area and found a different place to feed or should we assume that since we had them at one time, we will have them again if we dont do something about it now? Tom- Jim is right in that Termidor will be your best answer. Sentricon is certainly the safer, less instrusive way to do it. It just seems there is a lot of unguarded space between stationsthe stations could be bypassed. It also appears to us at Termite Guys Brisbane that Termidor HE in the way it is marketed comes across as less labor intensive, with less drilling, less digging and thus less work for the installer. 1) Do a post-construction treatment with Termidor or Altriset or 2)Do a Sentricon install. If they were, they would not build exploratory mud tubes. Jessica if you do choose baits go with Exterra or Advance.And it sounds like your home would be a candidate for either one. I also agree with Jim that most baits dont work as well as Termidor. Rich. !In almost 24 years I have use almost everything on the market.Nothing works like Termidor, It has had no retreats (callbacks) in over 10 years of use.Million of homes treated and not one failureSentricon and Termidor both are a stand alone treatment , to do both is a scam!! Prevents molting by inhibiting chitin formation. Can you give me any advice on either of these two companies as far as their reputations and what questions to ask them? What is the policy for Experts coming back to check the Sentricon Baits? Termidors 10 year tests show plenty enough strength to kill with an estimated 15 year max in the right soil conditions.. termidor does not dilute every time it rains like other products such as Premise 75.. This new technology has proven to move 2.5 times further in the soil than the industry standard. Im thinking that using termidor isnt real smart. Dont use any baiting system. Why would I when Termidor is better anyway? This may surprise you, but this new product does not need to have a signal word because it is the first termite treatment product to be classified by the EPA as Low Risk. If you do not have the extra cash , do the spot for now and save for the exterior treatment later. We had our house treated with Termidor last year. I would like to leave the comments open on this thread because there has been a lot of good discussion. Altriset is cost-effective compared to Termidor but works almost the same way. Your home is probably the largest investment you have. Also, how effective are the above ground bait stations for putting over that one tunnel we found indoors? The rest is just a basic function of profit and overhead. It has a strong smell that pests may detect and does not show a transfer effect. With a Termidor treatment, it is recommended to treat at a dilution ratio of 0.06%, which is .8 ounces per gallon of water. Termidor IS tested to last at least ten years, but I highly recommend keeping the warrantee, because as we say in this business there is no silver bullet. Whew! I cant say that I blame them, however, I have experience with ALL the methods and products more than 5,000 termite jobs. They are ranked at 59th in the country for training. It is known to be highly effective at treating termites and shows a transfer effect for better termite control. We were removing our old laminate floorboards so that the hardwood company could come to install the new ones and then we discovered to our surprise that there were all these live active termites underneath them. To short of an inspection season. While Termidor is highly toxic, Altriset is not, making it a better alternative for those who do not want to expose themselves to the risks associated with the use of Termidor . WebAltriset is a highly effective termite control product that stops the termites from feeding within hours of application. Let me clarify my statements I know that termites are attracted to wood once they find it, especially a soft wood that holds moisture. They both work equally (about 98-99% effective). Altriset is labeled Reduced-Risk by the EPA and presents no health risk to humans or domestic animals when used as directed. Termidor SC is the Suspended Concentrate, which is a liquid concentrate. The stations are generally 10 apart, so the average home has 17-18 stations, and the termites are supposed to find them via random foraging. I have inspected over 10,000 homes for termites and also chaired the Wood Destroying Insect Committee for the National Pest Management Assn. Id appreciate it if you wouldnt delete that posting. Termidor AND Sentricon combined would be an incredible treatment. Email:inspector@termiteguys.com.au, 2022 Termite Guys | Website Design by Excite Media, Specialised Pre-Purchase Termite Inspection. Judging from your pompous nature, straying from the truth, and pseudo-intellectualism, Im guessing you are some lowly sales rep for a mid-level pest control company. If they can the average layman will have no idea if they tell you the type the find is the one that is excluded . Dont let these companies scare you into an expensive termite job. Only people like Ron, who are stuck in the 1980s are still using liquid termiticides as their only option. Subterranean termite treatments with Altriset are done by injecting this product around and under the foundation of your home. Termidor, although low in toxicity is still a liquid pesticide. And how long do contracts typically last for these treatments? Company A is recommending spot treatments with termador only to the areas where termites and termite damage was previously found. Had our house treated with Termidor 5 years ago. How We Paid Our Mortgage In Less than 10 Years, How to Manage Your Asset Allocation with Multiple Accounts, Consumption Smoothing - Save While the Saving's Good. Anthony- I would be very careful about buying any of these products on line. I cant find any info about what chemicals are used in Termidor. So, over 5 years, you would pay $1,480 with Termidor ($1,000 + 4 X $120) or $1,940 for Sentricon ($800 + 4 X $285). How does he know if he is not an authorized vendor and has no direct experience with it. My basic treatment is about $2,200. Termidor HE termiticide treatment is 50% more time-efficient than conventional termiticides, Time and Motion Study, Arizona, 2014. If I go for a treatment now ( no termites ) which is better-Termidor (the liquid) or Sentricon ( the baits )? Probably the best way is to read the manufacturers label which is attached on the side of the bottle. I have been in the industry for 40 years and agree with you Jim. I work for at pest control company in GA where termites are very active and have seen many homes damaged by termites, powder post beetles, and fungus. This means that in most instances we can drill the holes within the grout lines, and thus not disrupt the tiled facade of the home. Such excavation is not a highly unusual event for the typical homeowner. And isnt the test material in advances also poisonous to a degree? Never wears off. I work for Orkin, and in my area Orkin is the most thorough company with the best customer service. I dont like having to drill holes in the concrete. Actually Bart I charges less for my bi-monthly plan than most do for their quarterly, tri-annual or annual checks . WebAltriset was tested against Termidor (a common chemical for termite treatments) and after 3 months, Altriset still had 66% of its original application while Termidor only had around 30%. Approximately, a 34 oz bottle of altriset is available at $75 to $80. Getting a system that involved Termidor and bait stations would be a great treatment as well. Many pest companies use this technique in the winter time when their spray rigs are frozen up ! Most termiticide labels have specific instructions on how to perform treatments along foundation areas. the first local pest control company are the ones that want to do the injection. It works by paralyzing the muscles of the termites. Since you dont have any experience with Sentricon, you have no idea of the control rates. 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