@Greg smith : Everyone before me has already said what is correct. Youll argue but I havent taken anything and the owner of the IP still has their product. But heres the kicker. I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? Z Catalog Recast. That is the price ofany original model. We mainly cover Warhammer 40k, Fantasy, Age of Sigmar, Warmachine, Hordes, X-Wing, Infinity, Horus Heresy, and Star Wars Armada. Join. These artists work hard. This would be paradoxal. Great article, it is a fair fight and I am seriously pleased to see this being taken seriously, even in the comments section. Reply . The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. Reap what you sow. You think they magically pump out miniatures at just the cost of supplies you are an idiot. Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. Instead of looking into the business that are in the climate (and possibly are the reason for the climate being the way it is) we try to cancel culture those in the hobby. Now it raise an other thing literally pissing me off if I may, due to that misinformation, we legit hobbyist/painters in China are also punished with blatant racism by most of the European brands (especially those from Spainsorry guys). Recasters mates, I got a leviathan dreadnought for 40 NZD, Here I was just about to order a god damn Storm Hawk and their page gets ----ing annihilated, Rip, they should be back up in a couple of days. When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. Illegal sellers proliferate on second-hand portals, ebay, e-mail contacts and even mobile aplications for peer to peer trading. Recommended Products For The Miniatures Hobby! It is our mission to bring you the latest from the miniature wargaming scene, from narrative missions, hobby how-to tutorials, battle reports, unboxings and reviews, retro flashbacks, news, rumors, and more. But, from my experience, smaller manufactures like Andrea, and Pegaso, and Scibor, and Blacksmith, etc. @Greg. western companies sell out their own customers and citizens with foreign labor then cry about IP, its a joke. GW copycat ideas from sourses like Terminator,Alien, Dungeons and Dragons and what not. With Z, the above linked infantry squad is $16. Because even considering the amount of money saved, it does not make up for the atrocious quality received. We havent got a global Netflix style service with all movies available. The above is, again, scare-mongering. (and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. Dont get confused. These artists may not be local, but they are the ones putting all of their time and effort into bringing you these wonderful creations, only to be outdone by a random recaster. You retard, that was already included in the measurement. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. I say choose wisely and ALWAYS go with the origin of the art if possible. Exactly so. GW has serious plastic and great details, FW does not. Do they, as a British company, utilize only products designed, produced, and bought within British home-island territory? When GW sells the same models in Australia for 60-90% more than the US for no good reason it is hard to feel sorry for them. DVD prices havent gone down. Im having to search now forgeworld has stop so many horus heresy models. But some of our niche names might disappear over night. I have to necro a bit here. Enjoy the hobby, dislike the business practices. However, it is unknown if sellers have been similarly notified or if there is just a lull in listings. You are stealing. the whole they charge too much so stuff them attitude is scummy and weak they are a business and need to make a profit if they start to lose market share because people are turning to other games then they might re think their prices. This sort of effect makes even more sense in model games, particularly WH. Your supporting a criminal enterprise plain and simple which is slowly killing the hobby will these re casters spend time and money designing rule books and fluff? A model is too expensive in your opinion and dont worth the money? Horus Heresy Adds a New Librarian Consul Model! When you create a community of over 200 players/painters from occident and another 300 mainlanders, manage to make an order form for let say greenstuff world for those 500 lads to get legit stuff, and you are being told : you guys are thief so no we wont deliver in China because we do not want to get copied While saying that to a European. I perfectly understood is time wasted, but something in me hope you understood the type of scum you and your friend are. For the good health of our hobby. Discover the magic of the Internet at Imgur. This scourge of the hobby is a worldwide problem. I wonder If anybody writing that ever have ever hold Forge World model. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars creating their cast presses for the units. People who use recast try to paint GW as the bad guy and the others that protect GW dont want to have a conversation or rationalize their thoughts. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. What do you think of the latest Warhammer recaster to get shut down by Games Workshop ? If you order anything that is not titan sized you get all the same issues the recasts have. Lets say I want a cheap 1k starting army, but Im a college kid who cant justify the outrageous cost ($250 minimum, plus the hobby equipment and paint for at least $300 min). How Imperial Agents Work in 10th Edition & Free Arbites Rules! there was articular about how GW buys there cast from Chinese companys and they over order and then decide not to pay for amount they decide they no longer need. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. Recasts: 3 reasons why we need to avoid illegal or unauthorized Amazing D&D Fantasy diorama tabletop terrain. That does not mean I only buy from a recast seller , but expensive and big models worth of the discount . The models they had to sculpt digitally and then cast in a way they would both fit in the box, and be easy to mass produce. I would say though that what you talk about is a different topic to what we are discussing in this post. It leaves you a very salty taste. A quick check of eBay appeared to turn up way fewer listings for "Forge World" than last week at this time. hell do they even pay their staff a decent wage. But good way to name and shame yourself, although I doubt there is any shame there. Squats went 20 years ago because no one was buying them. Games Workshop wont disappear. I think theres one thing that need to be said here regardless of ip. They should be 30% of that and maybe nobody would copy that. These companies do not pay any IP rights. Manufacturer SCALE 75 minis, have put their foot down and advocated an anti-piracy message into the hobby world. Lets look at Netflix, people didnt think streaming would have as big of an effect as it did as before that everyone blamed everything on pirating. Sorry, I do not. There are many families, people and brands that struggle hard every day to bring you new and spectacular figures and products. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? For the sake of this report, we have acquired a couple of Chinese illegal recasts as well as their respective originals, and we are going toshow you in detail why there is no point at all in buying these pieces of bad plastic. As Infringements Assistant, you will assist with all things relating to infringements. P.O. My only experience with recasts were a set of transparent Tau stealth suits which, while everyone agreed were really cool, I was told not to use them. Do they source their injection molds from Australian materials and Mexican labor? All I can say is that the metal quality is horrible. as you seem to be proud of the fact you steal form these companies. Totally agree with you, its morons like them who are putting a nail in the coffin of our hobby, I bought a recast by mistake off eBay, I thought I was buying a genuine Pegaso figure, when it arrived I knew instantly of the mistake Id made, everything that is bad in a casting was plain to see, the main thing being it should have been cast in white metal and was instead a poor resin cast instead, thankfully eBay took action and swiftly booted this pirate off. produce in the country you sell in and not in china.. then we can talk until then you get what you deserve! If you are honestly trying to peddle such nonsense as recast being better than originals you are either seriously deluded or an outright liar! I completely agree with your statement. Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. The other aspect is quality of product, I know a lot of LoTR players would rather buy metal recasts from ebay rather than finecast versions of originally metal models from gw (basically all the elite troops were switched from metal to finecast when finecast first came out, so its not even the improved finecast). if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_9',634,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-spikeybits_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Mix Your Paint In Seconds! You stole the rights to that model. Ive never bought from a recaster, but I know many who do. New 40k, AoS, & More: GWs Release Preview LATEST, Orks & Christmas Bundle White Dwarf November 2018. You are completely right about this. No? I love the crocodile tears about the indie companies. The arguments here are simple white knighting and emotional, there is no one actually willing to discuss anything or addressing recasting. Especially when taken out of context or without a clue of whats going on here Sure there are Chinese recasters, unfortunately I hate to break it to you, but all of the biggest and well known recasts world wide produced here are made by westerners Bummer. They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. The difficult thing is to develop a miniature from scratch, starting with an idea that begins with just a few pencil strokes on paper. Its all for love. Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. 33% of the original, and with a positive experience in my pocket Im more likely to stick into the hobby, which means more long term profits. Not the original miniature companies. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Bollocks. We are saying to watch out for recasts of other artists personal work. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. You know what happens? Many other companies offer products as good as theirs or even better for a lower price. I bet you steal music and movies. the books are out there the rules are out there, it would be like if Monopoly was suddenly no longer made every one knows the rules and can build their own board quit being GW fan boys they dont give a shit about you. during the month, more than 5 times the quantity that me (the creator, designer and fighter) sold the same month. They tried to go public to get quick capitol and ended up eating it. Since GW is in China, they are rocking hard, privateer press and corvus belli also understood that, so instead of making your products unavailable for some countries like this one, you should learn to work with them instead, because like it or not, they always find a way in, and as said earlier, its not from the one you think. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! Ah yes, Im so sorry messer, I apologize that the serfs are becoming so uppity as to assume that they might be able to afford some enjoyment in their pitiful lives. You aren't allowed to use recasts in a GW store, for one (though depending on the quality, people might not notice). @ Greg Smith: That attitude is killing the hobby. Yes. You say illegal a lot. I dont buy recasts, and I dont buy from companies that charge more than I think is reasonable. As Alchemy said, they drive more new hobbyists away by doing it in this and inevitably lose out of profit in the long run. Ill just download the PDF for free. The recasts I buy are better quality and for what I would 80 quid for from forge world I can buy from China for 20 dollars including delivery. Recasters are selling multitudes of more models than the actual creator. And I firmly put the blame into the hands of piracy aka stealing. Its nice to see such mature topics being treated with depth. Despite every measure taken, with the evolution of websites and social networks, recasting has become nearly unstoppable. Just saying, this argument is fail. Wholesome Memes Aww Anime & Manga Video Games Memes GIFs . In addition, as you will see later, the casting is not good and irregular surfaces of material are very evident. Its very easy to make an illegal copy of a miniature, especially if the country where its made has bad labour policies. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry . 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