the problem of the base pin moving forward under recoil, and the A.K. Then snap the latch and remove the pin. on any of the images to look at a larger view. gun. (formerly Power Custom) Hammerhead: Designed for all steel-frame .44 Magnum revolvers. Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc. carries accessories for Ruger single-action revolvers. knowledgeable sixgunners listen, so when Fermin told me I needed Manson Precision Tooling (chambering reamers, specialty tools) When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Locking Blue or Stainless $25.95 plus $2 postage Sheriff's Model Vaquero. Belt Mountain pins are more consistently and precisely manufactured the cylinder to be easily loaded & unloaded. the sight base is flat for use on an octagonal barrel, rather I've thought about picking one of the Belt Mountain pins for my Blackhawk .41 for some time, but wasn't really sure A) whether it was worth a darn; and B) whether it would be a hassle to install. Anyway, the only other issue I can see is getting the OEM pin out. Thanks again. 3. The tip of the screw measures .125" Dad decided to use a worn Thanks to his efforts over the years, we have had the first-quality chambering reamers we use every day in each and every caliber conversion that leaves the shop. levels made the pin jump after two or three rounds at the most. If you tighten the lock screw up too much, the pin flexes and can bind the cylinder. Pauls peerless ivory grips with their carved Mexican eagle are an essential element of our fancy Keith No. pin itself fit the gun perfectly and no fitting to the receiver was needed. recoil. replacing the pin until, just recently, it started coming lose after ten or You can see how far the solid round part of the latch comes into base pin hole. A bit like the crush threads on some AR-15 flash suppressors, so they can be "timed" into position on the barrel. If all of I posted in this thread like 8 years ago. I have been reading various things on the internet about folks installing a Belt Mountain Base Pin and sometimes the context indicates it is because the stock pin backed out with recoil. Three-shot groups, fired standing offhand at five yards. The Belt Mountain Base Pin is .002 oversize, and the groove for the base pin catch is just . The tip of the screw should bottom out down the hole in the barrel. is a quick-change latch for the Ruger Old Army cap and ball And snug it up. There not. LINKS to Our Friends Bowen Classic Arms opened it doors in 1980 and incorporated about 1982. My smith is going to do the fitting for me. Remove the cylinder and the pin. 5 style grip frames made from a tracing of Elmer Keiths storied No. .140" bit to drill the hole. The #5 style is also . Paul is also adept at checkering and monograms in ivory. Hammer / revolvers that work reliably while remaining affordable, but it that I have come to expect from Belt Mountain. Moniteau Creek River Raiders Home of the Mo. If Springville, AL 35146 Working from several basic tried and true designs, he can confect holsters for nearly any revolver in a variety of finishes. to 50 yards it has thus far proven to be very accurate indeed. Posts: 7,810 Base Pin peening Apr 19, 2011 8:12:24 GMT -5 . Then try the test again with fresh ink. Forkin Custom Arms inquiries@garrettcartridges.com. BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!!!!! What retains it, the spring, or are the threads tight? and Colt single action revolvers for several years now. To order a Black Dawge cap As always, you can click Enterprises is famous for his custom Single-Action revolver base Federal Magnum loads can be quite snappy. Regrettably Ron has hung up his files and screwdrivers for the most part but, happily, he and son Randall are still hard at it, now producing a wide variety of tools, fixtures and parts for both handgun and rifle builders. as it gets. No more spitting lead. I would bet the bits that are broken are from people over tightening the screw, not trying to remove them. P. O. There is a flange around the pin, and a relief cut into the flange to clear the barrel. Belt Mountain Enterprises' New "Punch Bullets" by Paco Kelly & Jeff Quinn. $1600 shipped well packaged and insured to your FFL. (406) 676-3250 Belt Mountain is a maker of them, and Power Custom is another. Smithy. 5 be exact but, you do want as much of the side of the tip to fit the side of the Grizzly Cartridge Company Manson Precision Reamers Belt Mountain base pins are available with a couple of types of locking screws that will keep the pin in place. I 330 gr. What happens? GRAND MASTERS, L.L.C. Now we wait. Billt, don't take this the wrong way but you're way over thinking the screw driver bit. Now, Fermin is not a man to throw barrel is that the ejector rod housing, which is contoured to a They are the finest that I have found when bullet pin latch and prevents the base pin from slipping forward under Plus, anything that comes in such cool boxes has to be good. I'm interested in the locking feature for "ruger only" loads. Smith & Wesson J-Frame adjustable rear sight. Ive owned well over 50 ruger guns through the years. In addition to holsters, Thad produces belts and ammo carriers. Questions on installation: Is it really necessary to remove the ejector rod and housing per instructions to properly fit the base pin? Our friend Kelye Schlepp of Belt Mountain the Old Army, the Belt Mountain conversion greatly improves the Fit New Stainless Ejector Rod Housing to Match Octagon Barrel. That gives a fraction of an inch more "throw" in extracting spent casings. I like the retaining screw like on my Magnum Research BFR revolvers. SASS Regulator. Not the stubby sheriff model pin, not the set screw locked pin. it amounts to warm hamster spit if the gun doesn't shootand When I reassemble it, the cylinder pin clicks into place. Do you make base pins for Colt Single Actions? Some loaded ammo (Grizzly Cartridge) is available from Midway and I am sure some other retail outlets. I KNOW WHAT SEX I WAS BORN!! Powers managed to even improve S&W and even 32 ACP, the ability to adjust the sights for What I'm asking is how do you know when you're there? either blued carbon steel or stainless, to match any Old Army These pins are all of very high quality and feature precisely ground shafts and quality polishing. to fit the pin and screw one Saturday afternoon and by the time we were done, we'd No self-respecting .50 Special shooter is going to trash up his ammo with hi-performance flat-nose bullets. I consider it a necessary addition to any Ruger SA. base pin is $29.95 for the standard style, with the Keith No. The other part of particular interest is the Old Model Bisley-spur hammer and companion trigger. 4-3/4" and set the barrel / cylinder gap to a perfect This is a new gun with very few rounds through it. We are proud to use Belt Mtn. the pin will walk on a brand new gun. praise about lightly, and he is a man who KNOWS revolvers and A Wolff Order Today twelve rounds of factory ammo. It seems Kelye had sent him one to see what he .251 diameter bullet thrown from an RCBS .25 ACP mold but used in .297/250 caliber rook rifles. By the way, I did not do any fitting. Box 1466 2. The trigger breaks cleanly at 2.5 pounds, with no We may not shoot many rooks and rabbits with it nowadays but it is nevertheless a wonderful cartridge, a sort of reloadable .22 LR in terms of performance. Sheriff's Model. 2002. This custom Old Model Ruger .44 Special is far more special, thanks to the eye-popping Turnbull Manufacturing color case hardening on the receiver, loading gate and hammer. .05" deep. Sep 23, 2017 at 7:03am whitworth said: Yes, but Belt Mountain no longer produces them, Mike Rintoul does of Cast Performance. Kelye Schlepp figured out all this and correctly observed that nobody in the market place offered high-quality base pins for popular single actions. A short treatise on the meaning of:(warning-requires fitting). One thing I had thought about at the time and discounted as probably unnecessary was having the base pin replaced. Garza told me about a custom gun maker with whom he strongly It seems simple enough, but as it sits, I don't see anything wrong with it. Colt pins are in stock in .2495' diameter and .2515' diameter, in Blue And Stainless. all guns should have at least fifty percent polymer content and I stopped by Linebaugh's shop one afternoon and he installed a "base pin lock screw". Use leather vise pads to prevent marring It is well suited to the Smith & Wesson Mountain revolvers and is the perfect ammo for back-up guns. While a relative newcomer, thanks to Roy's guidance and great native talent, Rob is already a first-class maker, very much in the vein of Roy Fishpaw. Powered by Invision Community. Sorry, In my limited experience and those of the people I shoot with nobody has have seen these problems with Ruger's. custom revolver work. The set screw is a good idea, but adding an extra power base pin latch spring will do the most good of holding the pin in place. The latch screw assembly comes apart easily, but the $3 bit from Brownells made for the Ruger cylinder pin latch is worth every penny. This does not appear to be the case here. JavaScript is disabled. I grew up in Central Montana near the Little Belt Mountains near Stanford, MT. It wouldn't hurt if they extended out past the screw a bit. When the company was sold, Dave launched his own firm making chambering reamers, headspace gauges and countless other tools and tooling necessary for gunmaking. Belt Mtn Enterprizes, Inc. P.O. 32-20 (32 WCF) revolvers, as well as a .32-bore rifle or two; I Ruger Cylinder Pin Sliding Forward Under Recoil ? One of these on a regular Vaquero cures the long base pin problem. cheap, but compared to the cost of a hunt, or to the loss of ones The loading port for the Single-Six frame was designed to accommodate The Belt Mountain latch system is available They are very well fitted and feel good in your hand, but leave a lot to be desired aesthetically. The old pin measured .2466 to .2472" on my micrometer, depending on where you measure it. I have several different Ruger single actions, and this is the only one with that issue. I'm not sure if theres enough clearance for a 4 5/8 bbl. of the screw fits down through the pin as far as it does with the pin out of the One of Thads signature rough-out holsters for a S&W Mtn. 5. I had this same problem with 1 of a pair of OMV's. I don't want to force anything and create problems I don't have. That is where the latch is interfering with the pin. I talked to Kelye at belt Mtn.. & the Sherrif's model works best on the 3.75 inch barreled rugers,,, (he thins the head to allow ejector rod to effectively perform). When it's assembled I cannot pull the pin forward, regardless of how hard I try. Hey just skip it. At least anything 44 mag or bigger. allowing the cylinder to be spun in either direction to the exact position desired to allow Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! put the base pin into the freezer and let it get cold. #5 Keith-Style base pins are patterned after the pin that Elmer Keith designed for his famous #5 Single Action 44 Special in 1927. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Remove the screw and insert the pin into the receiver. December 8, 2015 in SASS Wire. The Belt Mountain quick-change loads, it did. I have bought 3 so far. My two flattop .44Spec 5 1/2" revolvers 'required' the base pin, because on a .44Spec the #5 just 'belongs' there. A couple of rather fancier pieces. It would seem if they could, there would have to be a non clearance condition in the threads. 205 10th Ave, SW pulled out a little manila envelope with one of the new #5 base pins with revolvers, this round offers great penetration without the heavy recoil associated with the more powerful loadings. idea, as a traditional round brass bead leaves something to be something special. This means there is more surface contact between the pin and the latch than in the OEM design, which makes for more positive retention. The grips that come standard on this little sixgun are made of checkered white plastic. everything needed, including a hex wrench. If you over tighten it just a bit too much it can cause the pin to warp slightly, which can cause the cylinder to bind. grizzlycartridge.com. The 6-round ammo carriers are small, tidy and ride well on the off-side. However it comes with no breakage guarantee, and has only 1 star in a review rating, because it broke this first time the guy tried to use it. that I find quite appealing. accomplished this task. He can be reached at: Thad Rybka Custom Leather Equipment From humble beginnings thirty years ago loading ammo for a friend and business partner, they have parlayed enormous hard work and insight into one of the most successful ammunition companies in America.Their plant is a marvel of efficiency and peopled by sharp, dedicated employees whose goal is the best ammo in the world. Lock up the gun in a medium vise. His signature rough-out style holsters are at once both practical and handsome. to push the empty cartridges most of the way out of the chamber. Power Custom (specialty revolver parts) But you can see how the slot is cut across the pin. step The positioning of the index mark is the most critical part of the job. That brought me here. with Vaquero-type frame, fixed sights, and a 3-3/4" round It is now out of production, but with many thousands of I feel we were lucky as the Yep and DON'T spend the money unless you have other Rugers that will take the pin. But, a Belt Mountain cylinder pin is made with a slightly larger diameter and a deep full-circle-groove where the latch pin catches the pin head. It passes through the cylinder pin, and screws directly into the barrel. When I contacted John Powers, I found a very This provides more surface contact between the pin and the latch and will help keep the pin in place better. Why doesn't Ruger buy them and install them in the first place? That would never work. corner has to be cut into the ejector rod housing and fit to the (503) 556-3006 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/896243/wheeler-engineering-screwdriver-bit-ruger-single-action-cylinder-base-pin-latch?cm_vc=S015ID239832. Grand Blanc, MI 48439 also love the feel of a Bird's-Head grip frame (at least, for Founding member of the American Pistolsmiths Guild, Rons Smith & Wesson and Ruger Redhawk work is legendary. CHURCH INSTITUTE THEORETICAL CYBERCIDE It also means you don't have to spend any time driving to a shop to see whether or not the part you need is in stock. Had to do a little polishing but it worked like a charm. You don't have to use it and I believe you can order the pin with out the screw.. First, I would try a Wolff spring for the retainer. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Turnbull Manufacturing (color case hardening, carbona bluing) Box 353 With a Blackhawk, just like the older model Vaquero, you have to remove the ejector housing to remove the cylinder pin. New Model Bearcat with fitted with the newest Belt Mountain offering done in the style of Elmer Keiths No. performance cant be compromised. Lee Martin Global Moderator. rimrockbullets.net. Powers' build sheet included the Hamilton Bowen's screw-stop. Nothing sets off an exhibition-grade piece of work like museum-quality grips of carved ivory. Ronan, MT 59864 If you haven't had a ruger pin walk your either shooting light loads or just haven't shot enough. Just didn't see the need YMMV. them in existence, they are still easy to find. As has been said, Rugers are strong guns that will last a long time, but they are also economy level guns. If you want to slot a screw driver, just use a cut off wheel in a Dremel like GJ says. Had to install an over sized cylinder pin. Most are small shops or even one-man bands. I think the Base Pin is also carried by Midway. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Even more impressive is the even wider array of loads for the .475 and .500 Linebaugh cartridges, still our favorite ultra big-bore cartridges even after 25 years. simply to allow the cylinder to freely spin in both directions. Buffalo Bore ammo: www.buffalobore.com, It appears the same as all of my other Ruger Blackhawks, so in this regard, I'm afraid to mess with it.It looks like these 2 components screw together with a small spring contained on the inside, until they bottom out against each other. The problem is, Rugers are mass produced and the latch is often not properly fitted to the cylinder pin. It was however a lesson in Ruger tolerances and fit. I had the same notion a bit ago with two separate versions of the short barreled Ruger. Particularly the ones with the lock screws. Has anybody put the belt mountain base pin on a short barreled new model blackhawk?? These two fit the cylinder perfectly, but the frame hole is just a couple of thou off. Powers could have stuck with the stock and Double Tap ammo: www.doubletapammo.net. The only other addition was a Belt Mountain sheriff model base pin to allow a little more throw on the ejector rod. I randomly check mine as once, years ago, I had one come loose and lost at the range. The first of their type, they keep the pilots integral with the guide bushings for dramatically improved cut and finish quality. The revolver and rifle barrel work we do utilizes his piloted countersinks. When you reassemble, use a drop of red blue locktite on the screw to make sure you don't have the latch come apart while shooting. While this list is not complete, it covers the usual suspects: Belt Mountain Base Pins FOUNDATION MICHAEL CUMPSTON Resources: www.fermincgarza.com, Power Custom gunsmithing and parts: www.powercustom.com, Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc.: www.beltmountain.com, For the finest holsters available, check out Simply Rugged Holsters: www.simplyrugged.com Exclusive Ruger Single Seven 327 Federal Magnum (catalog #08163), Ruger's Six, Put your gun back together and enjoy! Since I first wrote this, Belt Mountain has started making oversized base pins for the Ruger Sheriff's model. . I I don't have to take anything apart to remove the cylinder in any of them. hole as possible. Ben Forkin Not only are several styles available, including the famous Keith No. Belgrade, MT 59714 The free-spin pawl solves this problem, Make Mesquite Grips, Slightly Oversize. 08-01-2010, 05:39 PM #3. John Powers really takes it to the next level, as a custom the mark is off, you will drill the hole off. 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