Really wish my chrono would not flake out at these higher rifle speeds. A very popular cartridge, this 50AE based case contains a .308 style MP300 will work and takes a little more powder than H110. SWEDEN, 10MM Fenix FXP Ammunition 180gr Speer Gold Dot Gel Test, Underwood 10MM 150gr Nosler ? Check with leading vendors such as Brunos, Midsouth, and Powder Valley. 18.5/H110/125 Sierra SP grouped in 1/2--3/4" range from my Contender . 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. It's a very dense powder. I would of expected more velocity in 10 of barrel. Although I had lock back on empty, I had possibly the highest ES/SD numbers in recorded history. Mainly because I had a jug or two squirreled away. 1056 I have compared it to IMR 4198, RL7, 1680, Norma 200, and Vit powders N110, N120, N130, N530 & N133. Hodgdon H322. 1040 (ft/s) PRESSURE GRS. They literally explode. Not being argumentative, just curious. Im right in the middle of the load data. I like H110 under Barnes 110gr TAC-TX. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Lil'Gun does better for accuracy in the bolt, but A1680 cycles the ARs more reliably with subs. Primers showed some flattening, more than I would have expected for only 37,400 psi. 21.96, 22.00. Not impressed would be the word of the day. Buffalo Bore 155gr Tactical Low Recoil, Speeds, Feeds and Ballistics10MM Slugfest: Speer Gold Dot 200gr 10MM & Federal HST 200gr 10MM, 22LR Challenge/Callout: Lithgow 101 and Eley Semi-Auto Benchrest Precision Ammo, Dayattherange 22LR Leader Score Board Callout : CZ455 Varmint, CFEBLK Powder Testing First Thoughts: Guest Post, Kimber K6S DA/SA 3inch Table Top Review: The Journey Begins. A sub sonic load was louder than I am used to for a bolt action. The CFE Pistol is made for 9X19, 40, 38 Super and such. The 8 barrel pistol gas in a word was uncomfortable to shoot without ear protection. While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. I quite using H110 in 44 Mag, too much muzzle blast and flash and I can achieve the same velocity (in a revolver) with nearly half as much IMR 800x. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16" carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. of H-110 which is our standard loading and it gave 1,151 fps at 42,500 psi. by ThreeHundredBlackout Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:59 pm, Post The left side group that is marked was the 8 barrel, unmarked 18. There was one odd round that had a very low velocity. })(); To comment on a post, click Post Title or "Comment" Link. Brass fresh from the tumbler (well maybe 6 mos ago). It may not display this or other websites correctly. IMR 4198 does not meter well. I just dont want to pay the hazmat and more powder if I can make these work. JavaScript is disabled. Pistol SET YOUR SIGHTS ON PISTOL RELOADING DATA Find what you need in four easy steps. This spreads out the seating force over a larger area of the bullet jacket. The first thing I noticed when I opened a one pound jug was that it looked like they shorted me a half pound of powder. Shot roughly 1" groups at 50. . Everything I read suggested that more compression is better with this powder from an accuracy standpoint. 21.98, 21.98 Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. The 300AAC B.O. But note, seating depth can make a significant difference in pressures. But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. averaging 3428 fps. (ft/s) PRESSURE 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4198 .308" 2.260" 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Winchester 296 .308" 2.260" . I say try all of them and see which ones work best. Bill K. Brass looks fine. I adjusted my die up in the press and its smoother but man its still marring the bullets with both seating stems. Always start low. Barrel time. 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Search: Cfe Blk Vs H110. when I discounted that as a possible loading error the ES dropped to 24, SD 10. these are numbers that are a reasonable to start with. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Be safe. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4198. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. LC converted 1.350. And Sierra's three 110 gr. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - You 300BO reloaderswhy H110? Definitely worth a try. I did not shoot without the suppressor. It was reasonably overcast when shooting, with plenty of snow. If you're unsure, or just want options, check as many boxes as you'd like. I have read a variety of ballistic charts and reloading data. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. A H110 18.8 2259 40600 20.0 2382 50600 C A H110 18.8 2220 39300 20.0 2348 50800 C I set this rifle up for hot supers, Ive done a lot to slow down the bolt speed as much as possible. I really think the answer seems to be 100-110% case fill to get reasonable spreads. and a ES of 11 fps. I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. A friend suggested maybe the bullet jacket is just crazy thin on this run of V-Max?? It is just too loud for me and there are to many better choices. CFE Pistol is not a magnum pistol powder. Hodgdon says the starting load of cfe blk for that Hyd 110 vmax is 22.5C The 'C' after a load means 'compressed'. The carbine gas system was not so bad, cycled and locked back with no problem. If Ive missed anything or something you think I should try ask and Ill see what I can come up with as a test. The added burn time, longer dwell really tames the noise and cuts down on the amount of powder blow back. CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. I haven't tried cfe blk or h110 yet, but lilgun and imr 4227 work good in my 14" AR. In addition to being outstanding in the 300 Blackout, it performs well in many smaller capacity cartridges such as the 17 Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 218 Bee, 221 Fireball and many more. By the end of 2016, you should find complete load data for CFE BLK on the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center at www.HodgdonReloading.com. You are using an out of date browser. So a little different than you are asking but I leave the H110 for the 44 mag. The 300 is a heavy for caliber version of the 30 carbine. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. "Sometimes - those who dont socialize much arent actually anti-social They just have no tolerance for drama, stupidity, and fake people". It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. It also yields top performance in the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 mm Russian cartridge. It wasnt the original GI powder, by any means. Fast Facts About 300 Blackout. AVG 1050 The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. 813 fps Always let your loads stand for at least an hour and re measure the COL. I will probably wnd up grabbing some H110 if Insee it locally. Nonetheless if your ultimate goal is a higher velocity supersonic round I will concur that H110 or W269 is the preferred powder. Hodgdon data only shows IMR4227 loads. and our All Rights Reserved. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. containers. Still a fair amount of gas. I won 4# at a pistol match a while back. First round had a fairly large flash, next two were just a few sparks, noise was moderate. I use CFE BLK (12gr) for 220gr subsonics. Its a very dense powder. I reload 357 and 44 mag so therefore I have a good supply of H-110. Like everything else work up your loads slowly and you will find the sweet spot where your gun groups the best. It's exactly this velocity drop that caused folks to start looking at alternatives to the 5.56mm NATO projectiles. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. CFE BLK is also well-suited for the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 Russian cartridge. I'm curious how users who reload have experienced with an SBR or AR Pistol in 300 AAC Blackout with CFE BLK and H110. NEW CFE Pistol Reduced-Fouling Pistol Powder from Hodgdon, SHOT Show: Hodgdon Introduces New CFE223 Powder, Hodgdon Claims New CFE223 Ball Powder Deters Copper Fouling, New Redding Powder Measure for Small Varmint Cartridges, New 2012 Hodgdon Reloading Manual Coming Soon. CFE BLK gives higher velocities with the 208 grain and heavier bullets. Hodgdon has announced a new faster variant of its popular CFE 223 powder. The H110 produced a sharp crack recoil in my leverguns while the Lil'Gun produces a longer, stronger recoil. I've used H110, 4227, Lil' Gun, CFE, Blackout, Trail Boss, and A1680. 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas Dellet from 300blacktalk.com forum, ?the leading premiere media outlet where you can learn any and everything about the 300 Blackout caliber?shares his thoughts on the new CFEBLK powder released by Hodgdon after many hours of loading and testing. That should do the trick for 44 Mag. 15.8gr H110 chrono'd 1920fps from my 16" with the bullet crimped into the first driving band. hardcast loaded to 2.250". One other tidbit is my last shot has continued to be an anomaly. (Thanks Trump for not pushing the hearing protection act through.) . Classifieds 282 Gender:Male Many of our Forum members have tried CFE 223 and confirmed that is performs as advertised with less copper fouling that most other propellants. I have all four and find each has it's strengths with different weight and style bullets. I've only used LilGun. I chose a load from the on line load data. I put .025 compression on the powder. H110 made sense to me since I load .357 sometimes. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. PwrPro 300-MP H110 296 H4227 IMR - 4227 AR - 2205 A - 5744 A - 1680 680 N - 120 H4198 IMR - 4198 200 AR - 2207 2000 A - 2200 LT-32 REL - 7 AR - BMk1 H - 322 A - 2015 AR - 2219 Benchmark IMR - 3031 A - 2230 X-Terminator REL-10x 201 AR - BMk2 3000 N - 130 A - 2460 Sp10 BLC (2) 748 N - 133 1011 I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and AR15 Pistols. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Considering I was using a brass catcher, I would call it possibly excessive. I'm running 20.5gr with 110's. My best CFE BLK load was 200 ft./s slower than my H110 load. This would be for either a 300gr SMK or 350gr Maker. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 pm, Post Shooters World BLACKOUT. The post is about my experience between H110 and Lil'Gun in .357mag used in 20" and 24" leverguns explaining that I switched powders for the much lower peak pressure advantage expecting to see a slight drop in velocities as is the case with Lil'Gun when used in pistol length barrels but instead I found I got a large velocity increase along with the expected lower peak pressure. For more information, please see our Considering the low velocity this is encouraging. It is cross-compatible with 223 Rem/5.5645 magazines. Optimized for the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge, CFE BLK works great for .300 Blackout loads in AR-type rifles throughout the range of bullet weights. I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. The others were fine in the bolt, but AR reliability dropped significantly with subs with H110 and 4227. It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. Chronoed using a magnetto. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs - AR15.COM AR-15 AR Pistols Site Notices TNVC vSHOTT 2023 Livestream MAR 21-23 - Win a TNVC Custom Cobalt Kinetics CK-PRO Rifle! A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. I have loaded and shot the 44 Mag since the late 50's. I currently have a Smith 69, the 5 shot revolver on the "L" frame, and . Sierra Jacketed SP BC: 0.338 2.100" OAL SD: 0.226 Sugg Max StartingVelocity Pressure Load Velocity Pressure Powder Grains FPS Grains H110 Lil Gun . I use H110 mostly for 410 shotshells and 450 Bushmaster heavy loads. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout . All the way to the max of 23.7. driven every kind of rig that's ever been made, driven the backroads so I wouldn't get weighed. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 pm, Post I have VERY little imr4227 but I do have cfe blk, lil gun and accurate 1680. I also bought some Lil Gun and saw negligible difference in accuracy once I worked up the best 150gr fmj load for each. An ES of 353, SD 133. Privacy Policy. I think Al in MI uses 300-MP with good results. Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. Did I forget to mention that gas proof goggles might not be a bad idea when shooting this powder? CFE BLK These subsonic 300 Blackout loads require 30 caliber bullets in the 190-250 grain range which can get real expensive real quick! The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. The 300 is very close to the 30 carbine so that is why it is used. No where did they have any VV powder and I wasn't going to drive around anymore than I already did. Shooters World BLACKOUT. The fun news is that with this setup I was able to have full function shooting Hornady 150 fmj #3037 bullets when suppressed. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. 300 AAC Blackout (7.62 x 35 mm) (300 BLK) 125 gr. I just need to figure out if a different seating stem would fit the bullets better. Moderators:gds, bakerjw, renegade, bamachem, Post For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. 771 fps Is there an aftermarket seating stem for these V-Max? In a carbine gas I think it has some real potential. 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