Moving to the opposite extreme, IMR-4198, H4198 and Reloder 7 work okay with 45-grain bullets, but you usually run out of case capacity before reaching top velocities with lighter bullets. With a heavy enough rifle you can see your hits. .17 Remington Fireball next to its parent case, the .221 Remington Fireball. Check out this story from contributor Mike Roux, for an excellent and educational anecdote highlighting the importance of a full quiver of calls. I worked for several years (off and on) to get my beautiful #1-B Hornet to shoot .900" groups (5 shots at 100 yards). The 218 Bee, 219 Donaldson Wasp, 225 Winchester, 220 Swift They all take .224 bullets. Introduced in 1944, it was also offered in .22 Hornet, .25-20 and .32-20. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. Photo shows a hunter in heavy brush with a bobcat taken using a Remington M700 rifle in 221 Fireball. Any downfalls to either for yotes, fox, cats and GRound hogs. All Rights Reserved. Although one piece of jacket broke free and the lead core sat loosely in the jacket, all were lodged together against the offside hide. Velocities shown represent five or more rounds clocked 12 feet from the muzzle of a Marlin Model 1894CL with a 20-inch barrel (lever-action rifle loads) and a Sako L46 with a 24-inch barrel. TIA. Mag. 7mm Remington Magnum vs. 27 Nosler .257 Roberts vs. .25-06 Remington .300 H&H Magnum vs. .300 Winchester Magnum .308 Winchester vs. .338 Federal .222 Remington vs. .223 Remington .270 WSM vs. 7mm Rem. The maximum SAAMI pressure level for the .221 Fireball is 52,000 C.U.P. 1 has been chambered in both cartridges at one time or another. I got it trying to get a gun that had about the same noise as a 22 magnum but with better accuracy. It is a simple and diminutive cartridge, immediately evoking a bygone era. The extractor has to be sping loaded for rimless cases, where it is a straight push/pull for rimmed. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. (at least to my old fingers). I shoot both in 10" barrels and my Bee shoots smaller groups.granted, I've shot it more and "tinkered" with different loads a little more. On the negative side, the Bee also arrived with a handicap that may have prevented it from shining more brightly. Give a Gift It ain't going to happen if you resize your cases properly. It hasnt the star power or name recognition of the 222 Remington and especially not the upsized 223 Remington. Why cut down one of the most efficient, most accurate, most beloved 22 centerfires in the world to gain less velocity? Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis were as all shook up as rock-and-roll had gotten. 12-14-2008 11:16 AM. Water it a little more and if you could stand 14" the 222/223 can be a good choice. But perfect pelt. Mag. 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In my grandfathers era, the .22 Hornet was the go-to varmint cartridge, and the couple of seasons I spent behind the trigger of a .218 Bee were a whole lot of fun. The hog had flinched just slightly at the hit, ran another 40 yards or so, and expired. (Works great on upstate New York woodchucks too as I can attest from personal experience.). #3. *Casing image above is an artist rendering and not a real photo of .218 Bee Ballistics cartridge. A broken shell extractor will remove the adapter and . I've had my share of .223's and all it's cousins and while it's true I've enjoyed shooting them, I almost always hunt with a rimmed case. The CZ 600 Trail proved to be a handy rifle that can down game in hard-to-find places, all without alerting everything with fur that you have moved into the woods. It is also extremely accurate. Despite its smaller size, the .221 Fireball is capable of velocities nearly equal to that of the .222 Remington largely due to its higher SAAMI pressure. * Custom barrels chambered in 30-221/300 Blackout are designed and built to minimum chamber specs. Radial vs. Directional Muzzle Brakes: Which Is Best? First, the .204 Ruger shoots the smallest bullet: .204 (5.2mm) compared to the .224 (5.7mm) bullets used by the other three. Who could ignore a new varmint cartridge with a scintillating title like Fireball? Thats what were doing here. L-R: 40 gr Hornady V-Max, 55 gr Sierra BlitzKing, .221 Remington Fireball, .22 LR Remington Golden Bullet. That it later gave birth to even more cartridges is rather remarkable. 221 Rem. So goes the evolution of rifle cartridges. The 30-06, as most of us know, was rearranged to become the 270 Winchester, 280 Remington, 25-06 Remington, 338-06, 35 Whelen and others. Jones' Whisper family including the 6mm Whisper, which has been adopted by Knight's Armament Corporation for their new Knight's Armament Company PDW as the 635mm PDW. It drives a 40-grain about 3,400 fps and may be a better varminting option than its parent. Neither the author nor Outdoor Sportsman Group/Shooting Times assumes any liability for accidents or injury resulting from the use or misuse of this data. A whole lot of necking (not the kind we did in high school,) stretching, shortening and lengthening. We show you how. The Bee case is a necked-down .25-20 Winchester (itself a necked-down version of the .32-20 Winchester). The "wound" channel in this tube of soft wax gives some idea of how the 221 Fireball performs. The 221 Fireball may be the most efficient of our 22-caliber cartridges throwing .224" bullets. WHich is the best round? To take advantage of the 221 Fireballs short length, it should be chambered in as short a bolt-action rifle as possible. Id hate to see either fade away completely, but in this competition Ill have to give the nod to the older .22 Hornet. The .218 Bee bullet was designed for varmint hunting back in 1938, but lacked popularity when it Don't you love it when city folks move to the country to "get away from the city" and immediately they begin to complain about the lack of conveniences? Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Among our own manufacturers Cooper Firearms of Montana still produces the Triple Deuce in several models, and there are many used Winchester, Savage, Browning and Ruger rifles chambered for the little gem. P.S. In need of a 221 Fireball (for the 20 VarTarg) and a 218 Bee (for the 17 HeBee) Wilson case holders for trimming. Ammunition, while not exactly plentiful, is still available from Remington, Federal, Hornady, Nosler, and HSM. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. for the .222 Remington. Got a Ruger #3 in Hornet. Hornet is much more common. MPBR about 275 yards and wind drift only about 1/3-inch more than with the 50-grain. 22hornet vs 218bee? With .360 Buckhammer rolling out nationwide, Henry is bringing its first rifles chambered for the new caliber to market with the Henry Steel Lever Action in .360 Buckhammerand theHenry Lever Action X Model in .360 Buckhammer. Never had any problems loading for it and it was a great shooter. G.L. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Mag. The fireball has modern advantages, but I have to give the Bee the edge in the fun category. A mild report and almost no recoil make for an enjoyable shooting experience. In that class,you neglected 1 of the best lil cartridges I've ever used-the .22 K hornet. Most modern, centerfire cartridges stand on the shoulders of others. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) There is nothing wrong with your Bee for the smaller aminals, especially if the range won't exceed 150 yards. It seems that the industry has chosen the .22 Hornet, and with the modern factory loads you can probably do anything that you could do with the .218 Bee. Easiest to understand is the 17 Fireball and/or 17 Mach IV, so called because it could push a 20-grain bullet about 4,200 fps, nearly 4 times the speed of sound. All Rights Reserved. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. The major limiting factor of the .222 Remington is not its case capacity, which is less than that of the .223 Remington, but the twist rate of the barrels provided for the cartridge. vs. .340 Wby. Another cartridge capable of reaching across the back 40 and stinging a varmint is the .218 Bee. ????? I now use. The 221 Fireball, left, sprang from the 222 Remington(center,) before itself giving birth to the 17 Fireball. The Hornets overall cartridge length is 1.723 inches. Perhaps the most popular platform over the years has been the Thompson Center Contender. The 308 Winchester essentially a shortened 30-06 was necked down to make the 7mm-08 Remington, 260 Remington and 243 Winchester. Then we have the matter of bullet shape. That the 221 Fireball ever made it into this world is unusual. Its leaves a lil bitty pin hole thru the fur. So they shortened the case, knocked about 5-grains capacity out of it, and came up with that memorable name. I don't really know but I hear the 218 bee is real expensive to shoot. That is what i ordered. Cartridge Type: RifleHeight: 1.345"Width: 0.408"Average FPS: 2760Average Energy: 778Average Gr: 46Recoil: 0.56Power Rank: 1.27 of 20. Plus it was a Fireball - just about the most perfectest ground squirrel chambering I can think of. with resounding authority. The .221 Fireball produces the highest velocity of any commercial pistol cartridge.[4]. Turned out the 221 Fireball shot a bit like a ray gun, too. With that, and the popularity and availability of the military surplus .223 ammunition, the .222 Remington began a slow fade off the stage. More surprising was the 80-pound feral hog that fell to the little 50-grain AccuTip. All rights reserved. Even though a bullet fired from the Bee started out faster, its trajectory and downrange punch differed very little from the Hornet. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. On the dogs inside of 200 yards, I could definitely see the hit, whereas the .223 had a bit more recoil; it was just enough to preclude a full view of the red mist. Velocities shown represent five or more rounds clocked 12 feet from the muzzle of a Marlin Model 1894CL with a 20-inch barrel (lever-action rifle loads) and a Sako L46 with a 24-inch barrel. Binder, if they still make factory ammo for the 221 Fireball I stand corrected, as for velocity my Sierra second addition list the fastest load for a 50 grain bullet from the 221 at 2550 fps. I like rimmed cartridges, especially in lever guns and single shots, and the mild cartridges can be a pleasure to shoot. Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. 20VarTarg said: Just as the title states. Even the 5.7x28 would work well on small game, and it should move along pretty decent as well considering it will clock 2350fps from a pistol with 28gr bullets. But the .218 Bee is superior to it in several ways. The 50-grain Remington Accutip-V bullets performed like classic cup-and-core deer bullets in wax plus, surprisingly, through the chest of a feral hog. No, Im afraid it cannot, as its velocities will fall about 200 fps short of the hugely-popular .223, but that doesnt mean it has been rendered useless. This could be your huckleberry. For furbearers and varmints inside of 200 to 250 yards, the .22 Hornet is a sound choice, as even the 45-grain "traditional" loadlook to Hornadys Custom line for the 45-grain Spire Point at 2665 fpscan be zeroed at 200 yards, striking 2.8 inches high at 100 yards. It is also the basis for other cartridges in J.D. The goal was a highly accurate pistol that would be well suited for competition. I cant imagine early 221 Fireball enthusiasts ever thinking their little squirt of a cartridge would some day be pushing bullets much heavier than their 300 Winchester Magnums routinely shot. Do they handle easier?? ????? As a result, Remington decided to develop a shorter version of the .222 Remington cartridge, optimized for use in the XP-100. As we have learned with the .224 Valkyrie, 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoors, long and lean bullets with a high Ballistic Coefficient figure give the best performance when distances get truly long, and that is the issue with the .222 Remington: the light-for-caliber bullets dont have the conformation to hold their velocity at longer ranges. inverted on the primer cup. Marlin tried again in 1990 by offering it in it Model 1894 carbine, and along about the same time Browning introduced a Japanese copy of the Winchester Model 92 in the same caliber. I hope to try the 32-20 as well, though I think they are even harder to find and they bring . Remington sure captured the cutting edge of fashion with its original XP-100 in 221 Fireball. But 400 foot-pounds at 275 yards are plenty for paper, steel, varmints, and marauding predators up to coyote size. Just telling you what i did. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Fireball. The 22 hornet has less report than the 221 fireball . Re: 218 Bee, 219 Zipper, 220 Hornet. Copyright GunData.org 2015 | Koenig Media, LLC | Links | Sitemap | Advertise. It kicked about like a 22 Hornet. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? While rifle barrels commonly range in length from 14.5 to 26in (37 to 66cm), pistol barrels are typically much shorter, ranging from 2 to 12in (5.1 to 30.5cm) although occasionally up to 16in (41cm) for some competition barrels. This doesnt recommend the 221 Fireball as the ultimate hog eradication round, but highlights the penetration potential of even a frangible varmint bullet when downrange energy drops to about 650 f-p. Photo shows 221 Fireball ammo and spent bullets taken from wax and one hog. It has a rim diameter of 0.350 inches, a case length of 1.403 inches, and a slight 5-degree, 38-minute shoulder which culminates in neck measuring 0.386 inches, giving all the neck tension youd want. Lee Precision Commercial Mold Handles. I bought one during the 1960s, and much later during a visit to the Sako factory I was told that only 50 had been built in that caliber, and I've seen only two in many years of looking at Sako rifles. 221 fireball or 218 BEE - PredatorMasters Forums Home About Admin ThePrey Techniques TechPage Reviews Sponsors Links Contact Photos Free Stuff PM Gear Moon & Weather Members Articles The Forums Scholarships Welcome to the Predator Masters Forums Be sure to visit the main Predator Master website at Predator Masters.Com On this same hunt which was centered around the release of the bolt action Sauer Model 100 we had rifles in both .222 Remington and .223 Remington. Modern powders have increased the muzzle velocity of the .22 Hornet, and many manufacturers have seen fit to use the lighter 30- and 35-grain bullets to boost velocities further. When all is said and done, H110 and W296 - along VihtaVuori N120 - offer the best combination of bulk density and burn rate available for bullets weighing from 30 to 45 grains in the .218 Bee. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. I once shot a 221 Fireball on a Texas hunt. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. That same manual list several 50 grain bullet loads for the 218 bee at 2600 fps and one 55 grain load also at 2600 fps. Because of the lever-action tubular magazine, the Bee was loaded from its inception with round nosed bullets. Handled the new Rem LV-SF in 221 FB today,..again. Not too many other rifles have been available in .218 Bee. Winchester cartridge. My first 22 centerfire and I think my overall third barrel was a 10" octagon Bee. 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